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August 17, 2007

hasty quote

OK, I might have sounded harsh yesterday when I said in haste :

"There were lots of soldiers on my flights who were going to Fort McCoy, then eventually to their doom in Iraq."
I do not wish ill of the people who are sent to Iraq, but I fear for their lives and feel bad for the soldiers. I still don't understand what we're doing there, but I have my theories as to why we are there. Let's just say there are a lot of Republican contractors in DC who have done their noble 'development tour' there, with a secure protection force of several humvees arond them, who are now livin' large on what they billed to the project. A Gucci Peace Corps if you will, but with a much more lucrative readjustment allowance. Such 'tours' are very expensive, in lives and in financial cost. The soldiers are there for the Bush Republicans, for those who make money on war, and for Bush, but not for Iraq nor for the U.S.. And I feel bad for those who signed up to help the U.S. who are currently not doing that in Iraq. And the spending is outrageous. Again, it will be Gen-X, and these war veterans, who will be working to pay off this massive national debt, just like we did for Reagan's expenditures. I am a fiscal conservative, and I don't like debt, and war means debt, and so do Republicans. Simple math.

Anyway, there is a vole plague in Wisconsin, but Jilly is on patrol:
Get The Vole
I remember reading that there is a vole infestation in Spain or Italy or somewhere. Worldwide vole populations are up, honeybee populations down.

Posted by jimbo at August 17, 2007 12:14 PM


Your entitled to your beliefs that everything in the war is done for Bush, but just talking to soldiers who have been there might give you a different perspective. It is a volunteer army, however, and so many people forget that the soldiers that reenlist know exactly what they are getting in for and looking at the numbers the majority believe in the mission. Therefore I choose to believe in them.

Posted by: Tim at August 17, 2007 2:31 PM

Already, my statement has been construed that I hate our troops. I think what's going on in Afghanistan is vital, but not Iraq. But of course since I have an opinion about Iraq, I am anti-troop. If you have an opinion that dissents from what Bush says, you're clearly an anti-war, anti-troop, and anti-American bleeding heart liberal who wants to undermine 'merca.

Posted by: jimbo at August 17, 2007 3:34 PM

The war's a lot easier if you believe ina fantasy world. The recruiters tell the kids "aint no way you are going to Iraq." People re-enlist because the job market sucks in rural America and the skills they teach you in the Army (killing folks, cleaning weapons, killing more folks) are useless once you get out of the army. Here in Tucson, the local Veteran's hospital is over-crowded with soldiers suffering from war-related injuries and mental problems. The army just admitted that suicides are way up. But again, it is real easy to pretend that the soldiers love the war and the mission, whatever the fuck it is, especially if you aren't sitting in Iraq with them.

Posted by: homer at August 17, 2007 4:54 PM

You still sound bitter. :) I hope the down time with the fam does well for you.

Posted by: wyocwby at August 17, 2007 10:45 PM

Well, you're not alone in those fears. I didn't get judgment out of your previous entry; if that's any consolation. It's reaching the point where most of us know someone who's died in combat. And that's very depressing, in and of itself.

Posted by: diamondfistwerny (Steve) at August 18, 2007 12:30 AM

As someone who is currently living and working in Iraq, I can say that I see your side of things, Jimbo. But, I would be worried that you're arguing two different things. One is that soldiers are going to their doom because they are being sent to Iraq. The other is the purpose of our time spent in Iraq, and its validity.

Regardless of who is profiting, a situation in Iraq exists that we had a major hand in creating in the spirit of 'democracy'. One can argue we had no real purpose being there in the first place, but it doesn't change the fact that how we do things right now can make Iraq much worse or much better. The military, who does participate in both security and political work, and its presence or non-presence, will have a significant role in the future of Iraq.

I deal with these things on a daily basis. I work with the military, and much of my energy towards my work is fueled by the fact that if I can only accomplish my goals faster, then I can help our soldiers go home that much faster. I visit the combat hospital, and I know first hand what is going on.

And I would turn Homer's argument around on him if he is to make blanket statements about recruiting practices that it is really easy to pretend anything about the military in Iraq if you aren't there with them. I am positive that there are soldiers who do love the fact they are in Iraq just as much as I am positive there are those who hate it. And while the military does teach you such 'valuable' skills as killing people, there's also a lot of useful fields in the military that are widely sought after in the job market still.

I'm not 100% in the camp that our presence in Iraq is doing the correct thing (I'm probably not even up to 60%). However, I certainly think it's wrong to argue our role there with misinformation and a very biased viewpoint.

Posted by: dicktard at August 18, 2007 1:29 AM

i didn't mean to imply that you hate the troops, but i thought you were flippant about their willingness to sacrifice for the country as a whole. Our political process long ago put control of the military in civilians hands. Effectively that means us, our votes and our interest/disinterest control their lives and fortunes. I just thought what you said was disrespectful.

Posted by: Tim at August 18, 2007 11:44 AM

Hi Jimbo, As a vet, I appreciate the Apology and clarification. I got medically boarded out of the Army Reserves(long story) about 3 years after I went back into the reserves after 9/11. The one thing with being in the military is that in the end, you are the beckon call of politicians-and you don't have the right to pick and choose what conflicts or situations you are going to serve in. That means that you hope your President thinks long and hard about his responsiblity as Commander in Chief.

Posted by: Nursedude at August 20, 2007 3:43 AM

Would you please dognap Jilly and bring her back so that I might play with her?

Posted by: Patrick at August 20, 2007 10:26 AM

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