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March 9, 2006

you'd better say hello to me, dammit

Approaching and saying hello to a blogger whose blog you read regularly is perfectly acceptable. Nothing stalky about that - if a person puts their thoughts out there, they probably don't mind being approached by your friendly self. Personally, I like to meet people, and in real life I do not froth at the mouth nor gnash my teeth as my writing style might occasionally suggest.

But surveying a bloggers' comings and goings in public, noting what the blogger says to others in the locker room (otherwise known as eavesdropping) and then excitedly reporting these sightings to other bloggers is just plain wierd, a bit gossipy, and kind of rude. Or like I said to someone, "That is sooo Mid-Atlantic."

Where I come from people say hello to each other, and we don't want anything in return other than socialization. It's simply being polite. When I say "Hi!" to you it is simply a salutation, and there will be no loss of face if you return the gesture. Anyway, perhaps this mole/paparazzi/stalker who has me under surveillance should consider a career with the CIA or FBI. Or just fucking say hello for chrissake - despite the fact that I've been on the East Coast for 10 years, I still get frustrated by this kind of behavior, and expect better from people.

Moving on...Dan Savage says it better than I ever have in his advice to a fit guy who's into Bears, giving advice to one who has been snubbed in the past due to reverse body facism:

So if some bears are into skinny guys, WITD, how come you've been made to feel unwelcome at bear venues? Because bear culture — a phrase I'm using under duress — has shown itself to be just as susceptible to the body-image fascism that its earliest adherents claimed to be rebelling against. Bear culture quickly moved from rejecting the notion that there should be one standard of gay male beauty — hairless, flat-tummied twinks — to enforcing its own monolithic standard of gay male beauty — fat-bellied, hair-covered bears. At best, the bears who go out of their way to make you feel unwelcome are mildly hypocritical; at worst, they're so insecure that they feel threatened by your skinny, hairless presence.

Yes, Bears, it is possible that that Circuit Twink may think you are hot and isn't actually sneering at you. Open up to the idea. But then again I've been over both scenes for some time. Like I say on one of my online profiles, "I am attracted to individuals rather than a caricature or archetype."

Posted by jimbo at March 9, 2006 10:22 AM

Comments

Funny you should write about this as I've been thinking about it lately as well. My boyfriend is quite slim, downright skinny actually, mainly hairless - where I'm shorter, stockier, hairier (by far). He's totally into bears, I'm totally into younger looking twinkies - so it does happen sometimes that it works out in the best ways...

Posted by: Eric at March 9, 2006 11:47 AM

I prefer nodding, rather than saying Hi, if I only know someone in passing. I don't think it's any less appropriate, but some people seem to expect a color guard parade. Now though, I have this little voice in my head going "Hmm I wonder who he's talking about." Btw, sometimes, you can be totally intimidating, especially at the gym.

Attraction is a pretty maleable thing for you then, but the physical atrributes of your fantasy man is pretty well known. And Mr. Savage sometimes puts thins oh so well; when I get a bit under the weather, I have similar doubts.

Posted by: copperred at March 9, 2006 11:49 AM

>>>>"Btw, sometimes, you can be totally intimidating, especially at the gym."

ME?!? INTIMIDATING!?! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!? GRRRR! AND YOU'RE HOGGING MY STRETCH CENTER!!! WHY DON'T YOU SAY HELLO MUTHERFUCKER!!! ARRRGH!! GRRRR!

>; )

Posted by: jimbo at March 9, 2006 12:00 PM

as a guy who really neither falls into the smooth twink nor the hairy bear category .. i applaude you for not relegating yourself to only one 'type'... i only wish that very relegation weren't so prevelant. but alas, it is.

Posted by: myke at March 9, 2006 12:47 PM

"I am attracted to individuals rather than a caricature or archetype."

Amen to that! Good lookin' and common sense to boot. As an average build kind of guy with a smattering of hair that's looking to become more athletic, I've found myself snubbed a little bit at one or two bear gatherings. I like all types of guys, of course I have my preferences leaning towards the bearish type, but I would never rule someone out just because they're not "bear" enough.

Posted by: J.P. [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 9, 2006 1:17 PM

The whole bear thing is VERY confusing -- its a frickin zoo out there. The other day, I was speaking with a gentleman at our faux leather bar... I identified as a cub (youngish bigger guy), he proceeded to reach under my shirt, feel my hairless (actually there are 5 hairs thank you very much) chest and announced "Oh, you're not a cub - your a manatee" Hmmmm -- Sea Cow - How nice!

Posted by: Dougie at March 9, 2006 1:54 PM

"me under surveillance should consider a career with the CIA or FBI. "

Umm, yeah........we don't want him.

Posted by: TonkaManOR at March 9, 2006 2:40 PM

Ooh, I want to stalk Jimbo. Please e-mail me your schedule. In the event you plan to deviate from said schedule, please provide at least 30 minutes advance notice. Please also note that, for the next 10 weeks, I will be serving jury, duty and my actually stalking ability may be limited. Your immediate attention to this request is appreciated.

Posted by: Boo Augustus at March 9, 2006 7:00 PM

Amen to that.

Dan's right. I hope all guilty parties read his column and look suitably ashamed.

The animal thing is sooo tired and sooo stupid and sooo over.

Let's just try relating to each other as, say, humans?

Posted by: Mark at March 9, 2006 10:14 PM

Hey Jimbo

Homie, my bud says you're hitting the old pueblo of tucson soon. Have fun while you're here.

I suppose I would be considered a bear but personally not much into the bear culture. There are some real decent bear folks but have had too many run-ins with queen b types and the type of insecure arrogance described in your blog. I prefer inshape, thick is okay but lean towards slim brown skinned types. To each his own. Gay culture has become so polarized, most groups maintaining social, sexual and gay expectations of the others.

Again, have fun while you're here. Maybe we'll see you out at the Denture Inn.
later
reuben

Posted by: Homer's friend Reuben at March 10, 2006 9:38 AM

I think the problem with 'bear culture' is the fact that so few people are really into the actual 'cultre' of it, they just like the men. There are people out there that really get fucking into it, and their whole animal heirarchy. It gets confusing, because people think they are a part of it when they have little inkling of the realities that exist. Sites like BMB just compound the confusion and it ends up in a big ball of what it is today, a pile of shit. Maybe not a pile of shit, but saying 'a pile of shit' has better dramatic effect....not that I'm actually talki...I've just gone cross-eyed.

It's just strange how people still don't realize they like what they like, it's fear that drives them to fanatical (read: retarded) extremes. This is true in nearly all situations, from likeable music to artistic taste. There are only 2 sides to every coin, but life is not a coin, and neither are people. The world isn't black OR white, it's both, and then some.

Posted by: Kevin at March 10, 2006 10:23 AM

I was gonna tease Kevin above for linking his BMB profile in a comment making faking fun of BMB, but when I clicked on his link, I see that he has "liked" me, so I'll leave that alone. :)

Also: I too have been a bit unnerved to see read an another blog that I have been "spotted" somewhere doing something.

Posted by: Joe.My.God. at March 10, 2006 11:28 AM

I'd run up and grab you in a big hug. I'm from the South, it's what we do.

I had a reader email once and give me half my previous days schedule. It was spooky. Not like he just saw me in passing but more like he really followed me around. I asked why he didn't say hi and he said he didn't feel comfortable. WTF? You read my blog, you obviously liked me enough to follow me around yet you couldn't say hi? *perplexed look of dismay*

As for the whole bear thing, I've never been a bear or a twink. I'm guilty of making assumptions based on one's appearance but I'm never rude or discourteous until given a reason to. Don't even get me started on the whole body by mattel mouth by barbie bit.

We are defined not how we look but how we treat others. I just wish more folks realized that.

Posted by: moby at March 11, 2006 2:41 PM

Hrm - what if they are talking about you sitting on a Metro bench, unaware that you're sitting right behind them? That'd be a little embarassing, as well as a little funny. Not that it's ever happened to me!

As for the bear thing - I've been going to bear bars since I was a wee twinky lad, but I never got the time of day until I grew a beard. I certainly know there's a spectrum, from "AH'M A BAAAR! WOOF GIRL *paw tattoo*" guys to standard, well-adjusted gays.

Posted by: turingcub at March 14, 2006 3:13 PM